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![]() Please take the time to visit, and sign, the current petition to HCC regarding our wish for a more fitting memorial to Hull's Civilian War Dead, one that could be more appropriately placed right in the city centre. The plan is for a new memorial on the site of the Prudential Tower, where there has been a small garden since the war, along with an inconspicuous commemorative plaque. image copyright: Hull Daily Mail
But surely now, Hull can do better than that. We should have done better than that. |
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Liz Cook Ken Cooke Sylvia Cooke Barbara Cross Dob Woorhay Barbara Hays June Irvine Barbara Lazenby Jill Lawson Audrey Moore |
This short clip of old silent cinéfilm is taken from a tiny part of the collection of the late John Riley, former owner of the TV & radio shop in Sutton some 50 years ago. We have slowed the film down around 50% to give a better chance of recognising anyone you know. There is no sound. |
Sylvia Popple Ann Pullen Merrill Rhodes Peter Rhodes Harry Robinson Ann Rogers Jean Sutherland Ralph Thetford Mary Thetford Alan Thurloe |
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DESCENDANTS of Sir JOHN de SUTTON
A visitor to our Guestbook last summer mentioned her possible links to our Sir John de Sutton. For folks who are unaware, Sir John's tomb in St James' church is our oldest tomb, and dates from 1349. He was a knight and veteran of the Battle of Crécy in 1346, of a family of Norman descent already known for their service to the Plantagenet kings. Melba Williams, of Shreveport in Louisiana, USA, makes a very good point about the difficulty of identifying just which Sir John her descent may be through. It's my belief that more local people than they realise are also connected. Could it also be a reasonable assumption that, over the centuries since and certainly up to Victorian times, quite a few Sutton folk themselves also have a genealogical line back to Sir John and his family, whether they can actually trace it or not. I would suggest that this may also be true of areas close by, such as Wawne, Stoneferry, Bilton, Southcoates, etc. But, there is a nice historical and geneological twist to this story. As Melba herself suggested in the Guestbook, there were more than a few Sir John de Suttons in medieval times, and it is something of a minefield to determine who was who. Our Sir John, he of the tomb, may not have been aware of it at the time he died, round about 1356, but his genes were to eventually flow down into one of the most famous families in the land through the marriage of his grand-daughter, Maud. She married into the Hastings family, then of Kirby Muxloe in Leicestershire, and builders of the castle there. It was her grandson, William, who became Baron Lord William Hastings, created Baron on the field of battle at Towton Moor on that bloodiest of snowy Easter days in 1461 for his part in supporting the Yorkist cause in commanding Edward IV's forces in his defeat of Henry VI. The Hastings are more famous in Leicestershire today as the builders of the magnificent castle at Ashby-de-la-Zouch. Baron William, before his execution on Tower Green in 1483 for alleged treachery, had five sons and two daughters. As that particular line of Hastings goes down through the ages and pages of history, and various daughters married into other noble families the length and breadth of the land, and some not so noble, we get many dozens of lines of descent leading right into modern times. And there is the possible twist, for I myself discovered only a few years ago of my own family's links to the Hastings line, and thus I also have a default connection back to Sir John. By my reckoning, he is my 17th x great-grandfather. And quite possibly Melba's too, along with several other thousand folks of English descent in this country and abroad. And that's just through the Hastings. To have a look at someone else's research on Sir John de Sutton, much of which can be found in Debrett's and Who's-Who, you may well benefit from a visit to TUDOR PLACE. For within those amazing web pages are also details of dozens of other famous families of England's past, most of whom can trace ancestry back to the Plantagenets and Normans. When you've done looking at Suttons, go to the bottom of that same page for links back to their Home Page and the wider Peerage. Sutton families, and old Hull families in general, are just as likely to have links to the de la Poles, or Hotham, and other local landed families. I've known of this site for some years, and Melba's question and statement causes me to think that many of you researching your own family history may well benefit from a look at it too. My own connection to Hastings is not all that surprising. I am a Leicestershire lad, and there must be many thousands of other descendants of those three great medieval Leicestershire families, the Beaumonts, Grey and Hastings. But what did surprise me was my connection to Sir John, and East Yorkshire, for when I came to live in Hull nearly 40 years ago, and later becoming involved with the museum and website 10 years ago, I had no idea I was related - even so remotely distantly - to the man whose tomb I took photographs of for this website. I was more pleased at the discovery of my 'Sutton connection' than I was to that of the Plantagenets or Hastings; cock-a'hoop to say the least of it. But the main point is, if I have a connection to Sutton, coming from the Midlands, through that remote distance of 600 years, then tens of thousands of others must do too. Whether they know it, can trace it, or are even interested, or not as the case may be, is neither here nor there. These genetical connections to ancient English families do exist for a goodly proportion of English people, perhaps as many as 20%. It's not that unusual; for my own family history show links to the Hastings family of the 18th century, and the histories of they and England's old noble families are already so well recorded and extensively documented that I can consider that particular line 'well and truly done then'. So, as they say, the rest is history. It could well be so for a good many of you too. |
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| This Free Exhibition is open in the Old School, every week on Fridays from 10 am to 2 pm . . . tea, coffee, cold drinks, biscuits can be served .. 50p per person per cup. Not bad for a drink, a biccy, and a natter! AND disabled access and facilities.
The blue 'roadsign' graphic below is intended to show our facilities. Hover your mouse over a symbol to see what we do. |
| MAPS Streetmap link to map of Sutton area .... Streetmap link to map of Wawne area .... both open in new browser. See also the new Multimap links below for new aerial photos of both villages. Old Maps is a stunning collection of Old Maps 1880s to the 1950/60s, provided by Landmark in association with the Ordnance Survey. Some of the Edwardian maps, 1905 to 1910 and up to and past the First War, are particularly clear, indeed beautifully artistic. Load and use the 1:2,500 maps where you can, they are very detailed, showing tramlines, signal posts on railways, garden boundaries, etc. Be sure to type in "Sutton-on-Hull" .. or "Kingston upon Hull" .. with the dashes but not the quotes, or copy & paste the names. There's a sample map of Sutton at the bottom of this page. Old Maps are certainly worth persevering with. If you try out the various icons, you'll see that they can be made full screen once again, as before. Click this link to see my extract of the map of old Craven Park around 1928, and you'll see what I mean. Every tram track, every garden and outhouse ... and this is my 80% size and 33% compressed reduction! Use this page also in conjunction with the
for all information on the lists, archives and records here at Sutton, | |
Additionally, a page of "SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR GRANDPARENTS" is now available; opens in a new Window. | A page of "SUGGESTED QUESTIONS FOR OLD SOLDIERS" is now on the Other Links Page |
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SUTTON LEISURE & SPORTS ... formerly The Reading Rooms ... dating from 1877. Just along Church Street, about 300m from the Old School. I must recommend you visit this site. Especially for youngsters interested in sports, and even more especially snooker. The website is superb, the whole place has taken on a new lease of life in the past few years, and now they can offer conference, youth, sport and training facilities on site. An incredible team of volunteers, these are folks that make things happen for Sutton village. (click the picture) |
the DVD about Sutton on Hull copies are still available. |
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VISITOR COUNTER There is an extra visitor counter, right at the very bottom of the Home Page. Click the 'Globe' logo. It shows where in the world our visitors are coming from, and even what browser they're using. If you have come to this site from overseas, you'll even see the flag of your country and what time you visited. We've recently had visits from folks in Australia, Rotterdam, and Bogota in Columbia amongst others, and all over the UK. Magic or what ! new CD-ROM available The Bernard Sharp Graveyard Photo Collection is now into its THIRD EDITION, updated now with over 1,900 photos of most of the graves and headstones in St James' churchyard. About another 100 have been added. Now available to our visitors on a CD-ROM ... and to purchase; see details on Family History page .. click the button in the menu. For folks long since left the Sutton area, it may be |
![]() The Family History Research Group The Club House, Garden Village Oval A research group has opened for the over-50s to get into their own family history using internet resources and computer technology. Their computer suite has access to Ancestry records as well as the usual birth, marriage and death indexes; all censuses up to 1901; emigration and ship lists to research USA, Canada, Australia, etc; Full world-wide internet access; research Old Maps and a wide range of general history information. There are helpers on hand to give guidance wherever required, whether with family history resources or just general computer use. Novice or more experienced computer users welcome - We're a friendly group that assist and help each other. We can help you build your family tree. Tuesday afternoons: 1:30 to 3:30 *** £2 per session. For further details, please ring 708104 and ask for Carol. |
![]() The Carnegie Heritage Centre Anlaby Rd, by West Park and the flyover One of Hull's best-loved and and paradoxically, at the same time, least-known resources, located in the historic and beautifully restored Carnegie Library near West Park. Specialising in all historical research and info, with a specific leaning to local social and family history research using all modern technologies with a great deal of help and advice on hand. This place has to be seen to be believed! [webmaster comment] Click below for their website, email contacts, events and opening times. CARNEGIE HERITAGE CENTRE [opens in new window] |
See many items illustrating the day to day life![]() of Sutton & Wawne folk going back over 100 years.There's more details of what there is to see, resource archives, records, school registers, CD's, hundreds of photos, etc, on the FAMILY HISTORY page. and this link ..SUTTON RESOURCES .. takes you directly the list of what is available in the Centre on that page. THE OLD SCHOOL IN SUTTON . .. . . is now The Exhibition Room and is open on most Fridays lunchtimes,
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SOME OTHER RECENT EVENTSand photos contributed by viewers and ex-residents
They both enjoyed their visit, browsing the many albums and recognising the many old faces of relatives, school friends and neighbours. An accolade indeed from a history teacher, we think we got a definite 'thumbs up' from them both, and we look forward to seeing them again when they're next over this way.
F/Lt Paterson Clarence Hughes DFC RAAF
Other recent visitors, on the 16th February, were a family from Surrey. Howard, Vanessa, Jack, Lara, and Charlie Paterson Hughes, came to visit our brave pilot's grave in the churchyard. |
| We've had a wonderful offer from Margaret Rowling (nee Bruce), seen below, who grew up in Sutton in the 1950's-60's. Margaret, a retired teacher, now lives in Filey, and she has offered to our collection her own slides of Sutton from those years. She first wrote a couple of years ago to send us the photo of Church St in the snow shown on the Home Page, and now she has written to offer us the slides, and also to give us the link to her collection of photos she has posted on her Picasa Web Album online. Click HERE to see her Sutton slides : : : Click HERE to see other slides, including a nice selection on Hull in the same period. Enjoy ! |
![]() In the meantime, we have a pre-1930 view of Church Mount, with two members of the Calcutt family at no.10. Margaret's grandparents lived next door, to the right at no.11. The two ladies in the separate picture are the Misses Calcutt, Isobel and Vera, who at one time emigrated to New Zealand and then later returned to Sutton. Margaret also recounts some of her memories of the Blitz .. read her blog HERE. |
Somebody must know. It looks like a working gent's club, of the old type, perhaps pre-First War. What is apparent is that the photo appears to have been taken from a stage, and that is a bar at the back. But not a bar as in a later working men's club, no beer pumps or brewery adverts here. This is a tea bar, those are urns, and the adverts are for Bovril and Wrigley's. There is a hanging map of the world on the right, almost obscuring a notice to remind members to sign something. And the central heating installation is a classic; I well remember those in classrooms as a lad. The more I look, the more I feel it is also an 'educational place', perhaps a type of Reading Room, hence the papers, and the map. But where is it ... and if anyone can identify the gents in the picture, that would be an amazing bonus.
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It was Robert Edward Williams' great-grandson who visited the Resource Centre in November, one result of which is this historic photo posted here. Dated at 1919, it's good to know that the uniformed members of the family did at least survive the carnage of the previous five years. Also named Robert Edward Williams, this great-grandson of Sutton now lives in South Africa. He visited numerous family members, and it's heartening to know of his deep interest in family history and his enjoyment of the Resource Centre. We send him and his family our very best wishes. |
Some Pre-War Sutton Memories
The late Terry King sent me a clipping, some years ago, he'd saved from the Daily Mail, an article by a staff writer editing reader's memories. At a guess, it dates from
some time in the 1970's or 1980's, and I would imagine a lot of folks mentioned
in this lady's memories are no longer with us. The subject lady herself,
Barbara Rowntree, eventually became Barbara McGough, and after travelling and
working all over the globe in a career editing various magazines, she emigrated
to Adelaide in South Australia. She had seen an aerial view of modern Sutton,
and it had prompted her to write to the HDM with her own memories of the places
she could still locate on the photo. I thought the whole article worth seeing,
and so have reproduced it here in its entirety - Enjoy
! SUTTON MEMORIES How deep childhood impressions go ! My recent memory is a very fallible sign, I think, not only of old age, but of the increasing complexities of life; but my early recollections are still startlingly vivid. So it is with my opposite number in Adelaide, South Australia, Mrs B L McGough, formerly Beryl Rowntree and now professionally known as “Barbara Page”, the 'Miss Humber', it would seem, of their evening newspaper, 'The News'. Mrs McGough, who is also doing a lot of freelance work for mainstream magazines and radio, was born in Sutton, and she was extremely interested in one of our serial photographs of that area which someone sent he during the summer. “Seeing the photograph has brought back a flood of memories,” she writes. “The place hasn't altered greatly in its layout; I can recognise every stick and stone. “I can see the house where I was born, 2, Rutland Terrace, with my grandparents' house next door. Mr and Mrs W Goodin, they're buried in the churchyard there, with the names of my two brothers inscribed on their gravestone, Cadet Kenneth W Rowntree, aged 16, lost at sea, and Pilot-Officer H Raymond Rowntree, aged 21, lost on operations, both in 1941. Mrs McGough remembers the names of many people who lived in her street.; The Pinkneys, The Danbys, the Hakeneys, the Simpsons, the Pitchers, the Grays, the Hodgsons. “Church Street was the hub of our universe. I remember the Carricks at the corner of Stoneferry Lane, the station where I watched troops going off in World War I, the church school, the church where we played many hours happily among the graves, the Methodist Chapel where I went three times every Sunday. “I ran my mother's messages there, shopping at Wheelhouse's, spending my Saturday pennies at Rene Rodmell's sweetshop, buying a reel of cotton at Miss Heron's, the drapers (and I can still hear the tinkle of the bell on the shop door as you opened it). “We gazed at the mugs and jugs and bowls in Miss Moody's and stopped to look at the pots and pans in Fletcher's. “Every day I walked the long stretch to the Council School up on the hill four times a day. I can even remember my first teacher there, Miss Richardson, beating time to 'All Things Bright And Beautiful', apparently her favourite hymn. “I can still pinpoint Holmes the butchers, and Hickeys further along. Sutton House has come out fine; I remember picnics and garden parties there and the annual Horse Show. “Winnie Leake lived in a house on the estate, and learnt music with my teacher, Bertha. The Sewells lived just there, opposite Potterill Lane, and their nieces, Marjorie and Mary Cross – I went to their double wedding in the Methodist Chapel in 1938 or 1939, and watched them given away by their aunts, Lydia and Hetty.” Mrs McGough adds that one of her schoolteachers, Clarice Annison, is still living in Church Mount. An uncle, Mr Harry Goodin, is still living in Sutton, and until recently another uncle lived in Lime Tree Avenue. She draws a vivid picture of life in pre-war Sutton, when the church bells rang … and later, one would meet the bellringers, a solid and portly group, in best suits and boots, watch chains and waistcoats. “Having rung the bells, they never felt obliged to attend the formal services and took their regular Sunday morning stroll always in the same direction. I know this well, because my Uncle Tom was one of the bellringers. “We had the 'gentry' then … the Smiths, the Robsons, the Waterhouses, the Bladons, and the differences were sharply defined. But somehow we never felt deprived or inferior. We all knew our places. “The doctor had a special place too, and everybody in the village knew Dr
Gillespie and looked up to him in a way. And then he took on a raw, young
partner, Dr Bruce. I well remember the curiosity about the new, pink-cheeked
Scot, who, my grandmother said, was 'too young' and she much preferred old Dr
Shaw who visited the village every so often …”
Since leaving Sutton at the age of 20, Mrs McGough seems to have had many
adventures. In 1943, she went to Dublin with her Irish husband, and from 1947
to 1955 was editor of the Irish magazine, 'Woman's Life', later incorporated
into 'Women's Realm.' From 1956 to 1965 she was Woman Editor of the Dublin Evening Herald, when she
left to travel the world, ending in South America in 1970, from where she went
to London to become Travel Editor for 'She.' Mrs McGough later went to Australia to live with her daughter, hence her
semi-retirement doing freelancing work on the Adelaide newspaper. That was
several years ago, and she would be well into her 80's now if she's still
alive. I'm sure her memories are shared by many other folks too, and do
illustrate what a close-knit community Sutton was in those days. |
The Free Exhibition is open in the Old School every week on Fridays from 10 am to 2 pm . . . tea, coffee, biscuits can be served .. 50p per person per cup. Not bad for a drink, a biccy, and a natter! | |||||||
SOME PICS OF SUTTON MEMORIES What about the folks in this modern photo ...? Any memories of this band when they played Sutton Church Hall ... around 1959-60 ...
... and this Soccer Team, c. 1952
Happier and Carefree Days John Kemp in the USA (on photo, front row ) sent this photo via his friend (and our previous correspondent, the late Terry King). Amazing how these memories travel the world through cyberspace to arrive back here. It's a photo of Sutton AFC Amateur League, Div 4, 1951/52 Season, when they won the League in that year They're all Sutton Lads, and Terry's own father is on the right. Names are : Back Row left to right .. Tom Jones, J Buxton, Mr Rust, Les Buxton, Frank Atkin, Colin Duncan, Ian Singleton, Harold King. Middle Row ; Alan Rooke, Johhny Read, Geof Hall, Eric Harrison, Alan Constable. Front Row ; Alan Jones, John Kemp A FAR OFF IMAGE OF THE OLD SCHOOL AND PROUD DAYS
Terry King, also sent this old photo a year or so ago dating from the early part of the last century.
Taken about 1914 or just before the First World War, Terrry's mother, born 1906
and aged about 6 here, is on the second row from the front, second in from the
left. Another sister is at the other end of the row. Their maiden name was
Catterick. Old images such as this are so full of atmosphere. Look at those
lads standing proudly with their arms manfully folded. Many would have fathers
soon to be lost in the First War, and whom themselves in turn would go on to
have, and lose, sons that would know the terrors of fighting in the Second. And
the girls, of course, as wives and mothers, by and large kept house and home
together while they were away . . as did Terry's mum shown here. She later knew
the trauma of the Blitz, and of having her son evacuated to the Lake District
and not knowing how it would all end. Can anyone recall the name of the school mistress ?
There is more information on the Hull Blitz here .. Maps of Hull showing the fall of bombs during the Blitz ... in reality, 16 scans, A4 size, of a larger streetmap of Hull, dated 1945. It tells it's own story, and is some testament to the some 1,300 Hull residents killed, listed above in the Civilian Index, and the 12,000 injured, during those dark days. Opens in a new Window. TWO SIGNS OF THE CORPORATION . . two more of Terry King's pictures
A familiar site in Sutton in the 1950's, before Bransholme was started, when
the 32 service terminated in Church Street. Behind this AEC Regent III, note
the Corporation Telephones phonebox which used to be just at the end of the
church wall, right opposite College Street.
This picture, also from Terry, is a heavily enhanced copy of an old newspaper
clipping, hence the poor quality and "woven paper" effect. But enough of the
atmosphere remains here of this foggy day on the Hornsea line, and of two young
girls awaiting the train to the seaside, to make it worth showing. Note the
signal box, where the playground is now, and the points for the coal siding.
It's almost certainly someone's copyright . . probably the HDM's . . please
forgive me in the interests of nostalgia. You can click this picture for a
slightly larger, if not improved, image. | |||||||
This photo is from a glass plate in the Rev Colman Collection. Mr Rodmell, the Station Master, here sporting a fine Edwardian beard, is seen with two of his staff, an unknown lad, centre, and Mr White. Some more likely Hull lads here, though some may be from Sutton.
I wonder if anyone recognises any of these fine young reprobates . . Click the picture for a closer look. Are they Hull Sea Scouts, Sea Rangers . . ? Previous offences will be taken into consideration !! I suspect someone will see their dad or grandad in here.
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