Sutton & Wawne Group Ministry

THE OLD SCHOOL

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Sutton on Hull
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The school gate of St James' CofE School, Sutton on Hull, and the Exhibition in the Old School is just at the back, through the dark door ... but what is that by the door to the left ? It looks like a seat ...
click the picture for a closer look at the restored railway seat

click to view Side Menu if not already visible, then select Old School button again to get this page back

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all that's left of the Prudential Building, 9 May 1941
Please take the time to visit, and sign, the current petition to HCC regarding our wish for a more fitting memorial to Hull's Civilian War Dead, one that could be more appropriately placed right in the city centre. The plan is for a new memorial on the site of the Prudential Tower, where there has been a small garden since the war, along with an inconspicuous commemorative plaque.

image copyright: Hull Daily Mail

But surely now, Hull can do better than that. We should have done better than that.

It might be over 70 years, but it's never to late to honour those that should be so honoured. Click CIVILIAN WAR MEMORIAL PETITION

And view these Hull Daily Mail pages for May 9th, 1941, showing the Prudential site and Queen Victoria Sq. HDM 1941

Read about the young 17yr-old firewatcher on duty on the Prudential building roof, and his colleagues, killed that night. A total of 424 people, from young babies to 90yr-olds, lost their lives in just that one raid. By the end of the war, Hull had lost nearly 1,300 of her own. Please, sign the petition, and let us remember them with a city-centre memorial truly worthy of their memory and one that the City of Hull can be proud of.


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We are located in the old St James' Cof E school in Church Street.
now a Grade II listed building of 1859
If perchance you were seeking the NEW St James' Church of England School in Dorchester Road,
then this direct link opens in a new window : Go to St James' CoE School


Normal Opening Times :

as usual, every Friday lunchtime . . 10 am - 2 pm

Admission
IS STILL FREE !
and there's no VAT !

Come and see us !
Go through that open door in the School, you can see it
there on the photo above, just at the back of the Church Office.

you can now email the museum directly on
Contact Us



     RECORDS !!   







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We have 22 photo albums, of villagers and schoolchildren, dating from the 1880s thro' to the 1970s, and a similar range of dates for the Sutton school registers and logbooks. If you or your child went to this school, you're here in our records. Come and have a look; take copies for your family history. TIP: We can print most photos, docs, and maps, etc, but it's a great idea to bring a memory stick with you. We can now even save to most SD camera cards. At a push, we can let you take info away with you on a CD, but it's not so versatile. A stick or card is by far the best. There are more details of what archives and records there are at Sutton on the FAMILY HISTORY PAGE



Liz Cook

Ken Cooke

Sylvia Cooke

Barbara Cross

Dob Woorhay

Barbara Hays

June Irvine

Barbara Lazenby

Jill Lawson

Audrey Moore



This short clip of old silent cinéfilm is taken from a tiny part of the
collection of the late John Riley, former owner of the TV & radio shop
in Sutton some 50 years ago.

We have slowed the film down around 50% to give a better
chance of recognising anyone you know.
There is no sound.
Sylvia Popple

Ann Pullen

Merrill Rhodes

Peter Rhodes

Harry Robinson

Ann Rogers

Jean Sutherland

Ralph Thetford

Mary Thetford

Alan Thurloe

DESCENDANTS of Sir JOHN de SUTTON

A visitor to our Guestbook last summer mentioned her possible links to our Sir John de Sutton. For folks who are unaware, Sir John's tomb in St James' church is our oldest tomb, and dates from 1349. He was a knight and veteran of the Battle of Crécy in 1346, of a family of Norman descent already known for their service to the Plantagenet kings. Melba Williams, of Shreveport in Louisiana, USA, makes a very good point about the difficulty of identifying just which Sir John her descent may be through. It's my belief that more local people than they realise are also connected. Could it also be a reasonable assumption that, over the centuries since and certainly up to Victorian times, quite a few Sutton folk themselves also have a genealogical line back to Sir John and his family, whether they can actually trace it or not. I would suggest that this may also be true of areas close by, such as Wawne, Stoneferry, Bilton, Southcoates, etc.

But, there is a nice historical and geneological twist to this story. As Melba herself suggested in the Guestbook, there were more than a few Sir John de Suttons in medieval times, and it is something of a minefield to determine who was who. Our Sir John, he of the tomb, may not have been aware of it at the time he died, round about 1356, but his genes were to eventually flow down into one of the most famous families in the land through the marriage of his grand-daughter, Maud. She married into the Hastings family, then of Kirby Muxloe in Leicestershire, and builders of the castle there. It was her grandson, William, who became Baron Lord William Hastings, created Baron on the field of battle at Towton Moor on that bloodiest of snowy Easter days in 1461 for his part in supporting the Yorkist cause in commanding Edward IV's forces in his defeat of Henry VI. The Hastings are more famous in Leicestershire today as the builders of the magnificent castle at Ashby-de-la-Zouch.

Baron William, before his execution on Tower Green in 1483 for alleged treachery, had five sons and two daughters. As that particular line of Hastings goes down through the ages and pages of history, and various daughters married into other noble families the length and breadth of the land, and some not so noble, we get many dozens of lines of descent leading right into modern times. And there is the possible twist, for I myself discovered only a few years ago of my own family's links to the Hastings line, and thus I also have a default connection back to Sir John. By my reckoning, he is my 17th x great-grandfather. And quite possibly Melba's too, along with several other thousand folks of English descent in this country and abroad. And that's just through the Hastings.

To have a look at someone else's research on Sir John de Sutton, much of which can be found in Debrett's and Who's-Who, you may well benefit from a visit to TUDOR PLACE. For within those amazing web pages are also details of dozens of other famous families of England's past, most of whom can trace ancestry back to the Plantagenets and Normans. When you've done looking at Suttons, go to the bottom of that same page for links back to their Home Page and the wider Peerage. Sutton families, and old Hull families in general, are just as likely to have links to the de la Poles, or Hotham, and other local landed families. I've known of this site for some years, and Melba's question and statement causes me to think that many of you researching your own family history may well benefit from a look at it too.

My own connection to Hastings is not all that surprising. I am a Leicestershire lad, and there must be many thousands of other descendants of those three great medieval Leicestershire families, the Beaumonts, Grey and Hastings. But what did surprise me was my connection to Sir John, and East Yorkshire, for when I came to live in Hull nearly 40 years ago, and later becoming involved with the museum and website 10 years ago, I had no idea I was related - even so remotely distantly - to the man whose tomb I took photographs of for this website. I was more pleased at the discovery of my 'Sutton connection' than I was to that of the Plantagenets or Hastings; cock-a'hoop to say the least of it.

But the main point is, if I have a connection to Sutton, coming from the Midlands, through that remote distance of 600 years, then tens of thousands of others must do too. Whether they know it, can trace it, or are even interested, or not as the case may be, is neither here nor there. These genetical connections to ancient English families do exist for a goodly proportion of English people, perhaps as many as 20%. It's not that unusual; for my own family history show links to the Hastings family of the 18th century, and the histories of they and England's old noble families are already so well recorded and extensively documented that I can consider that particular line 'well and truly done then'. So, as they say, the rest is history. It could well be so for a good many of you too.


This Free Exhibition is open in the Old School,
every week on Fridays from 10 am to 2 pm . . .

tea, coffee, cold drinks, biscuits can be served ..
50p per person per cup.

Not bad for a drink, a biccy, and a natter!
AND disabled access and facilities.

Our website has had visitors this past few weeks from:

  • - Jersey, St Helier.
  • - USA, California, Beverley Hills . . a frequent visitor!
  • - Netherlands, Groningen.
  • - Canada, Ontario, Scarborough
  • - as well as Newark, Lincoln, Helensburgh in Scotland, and our own Scarborough.

Other visitors in recent weeks have been from
New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, India, Ireland,
and all other points of the compass.
As we get more, I will add their flags also in time.

Also, we plan to have a full-world map in the museum,
and will use markers to show where you come from,
to show our younger visitors and school parties.

Wherever you come from, or are now,
we greet and welcome you all.


see our Webcounter Page that shows
our last 20 visitors

And this is our
Do visit our Guestbook

The blue 'roadsign' graphic below is intended to show our facilities.
Hover your mouse over a symbol to see what we do.


what is available in Sutton
you can park for free at our centrefull disabled access, and lots of helpwe serve tea and biscuits .. 50p ppyou're welcome to bring your own pie .. or sandwichesfamilies welcome, including grandmas and grandadsinfo on local history, tell us your memories of Sutton & Wawnefamily history records free to viewroots ... your family roots ... well, this was a school !toilets on site, emptied every week  :-)LPG - you can gas to your heart's content between 10am and 2pmour friendly attendants are here to help you, though this cross-eyed geek is your Webmaster!


Multimap has the advantage of requiring no previous download, and of being able to see a 'bird's-eye view' of any of the churches, from all four points of the compass.
View our Churchyards on MULTIMAP

Please make full use of it
... it's free!
but please bear in mind
these aerial photos are
at least 4 years old.
For those with relatives buried here, who cannot get to see these graves in our peaceful churchyards at Sutton and in Wawne, this facility will be of great interest as well as comfort.
Just type in the postcode.

THIS MONTH'S FEATURED LINK - MAY

For anyone interested in Brass Bands, or has family connections with a brass band,
anywhere in the country. This site will be a revelation.
THE INTERNET BANDSMAN'S EVERYTHING WEBSITE.
And when they say 'Everything', they ain't kiddin'?
C'mon Bandsmen and Bandsgirls, Go fill your boots ... IBEW
SUTTON ON HULL CONSERVATION SOCIETY
have produced a small set of 'Guide Cards'
for the NEW SUTTON WALK.
The Society meet at 7.30pm every third Weds bi-monthly
from January of each year at the
Suttton Sports & Leisure rooms at 17 Church St.
The Society is also a registered charity, and more details
of contacts and accounts can be found here .. SoHCS


MAPS

Streetmap link to map of Sutton area ....

Streetmap link to map of Wawne area ....

both open in new browser.

See also the new Multimap links below
for new aerial photos of both villages.

Old Maps is a stunning collection of Old Maps
1880s to the 1950/60s, provided by
Landmark in association with the Ordnance Survey.
Some of the Edwardian maps, 1905 to 1910 and up
to and past the First War, are particularly clear, indeed beautifully artistic.
Load and use the 1:2,500 maps where you can, they are very detailed,
showing tramlines, signal posts on railways, garden boundaries, etc.
Be sure to type in "Sutton-on-Hull" .. or "Kingston upon Hull"
.. with the dashes but not the quotes, or copy & paste the names.
There's a sample map of Sutton at the bottom of this page.
Old Maps are certainly worth persevering with. If you try out the various icons,
you'll see that they can be made full screen once again, as before.
Click this link to see my extract of the map of old Craven Park
around 1928, and you'll see what I mean.
Every tram track, every garden and outhouse ...
and this is my 80% size and 33% compressed reduction!

Use this page also in conjunction with the
Family History information and Other Links pages

for all information on the lists, archives and records here at Sutton,
click the FAMILY HISTORY button below.

If you like maps, good maps, AND photos, this site will
keep you up all night. Geograph have the aim of showing at least
one photo in EVERY 1km square of the Ordnance Survey
maps of Great Britain. There are already lots of photos
of the Hull and Sutton area, and thousands of stunning photos
from all over the country - add yours to them!
(opens in a new window)
GEOGRAPH.ORG.UK

A full list of all the graves in the churchyard
are now at GRAVEYARD LISTS

Family History enquiries for St James, Sutton & St Peter, Wawne.
Additionally, a page of
"SUGGESTED QUESTIONS
FOR GRANDPARENTS"

is now available;
opens in a new Window.
Family History enquiries for St James, Sutton & St Peter, Wawne.
A page of
"SUGGESTED QUESTIONS
FOR OLD SOLDIERS"

is now on the Other Links Page




SUTTON LEISURE & SPORTS
SUTTON LEISURE & SPORTS
... formerly The Reading Rooms ... dating from 1877.
Just along Church Street, about 300m from the Old School.
I must recommend you visit this site. Especially for youngsters interested in sports, and even more especially snooker. The website is superb, the whole place has taken on a new lease of life in the past few years, and now they can offer conference, youth, sport and training facilities on site.
An incredible team of volunteers, these are folks that make things happen for Sutton village.
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SOME LOCAL EVENTS
this n' that

HULL & SUTTON in old Cinefilm 1950s+ . . . . . . held on Friday 2 March 2012


We are pleased to report that the presentation of old cinefilm by NYMR member, Ian Wolstencroft, showing old Hull and old Sutton, was a resounding success. The diverse collection of films featured trolleybuses, paddle ferries and journeys by steam to and from Hornsea and Withernsea, A Full House, as they say, and as can be seen, great enjoyment as the memories came tumbling out.

And as was overheard in conversation at the time, it is amazing how much of the past we quickly forget, how much has altered or been lost forever. So many of the big name shops and stores, all gone. So much of the spirit of old Hull has been lost as the city struggles to retain what it still has.

       
Aided by Barbara and Sylvia, seen here running the excellent raffle, just over £100 was raised for the museum's funds.
       

We all would particularly like to thank Ian for his informative and illuminating show, especially as he refused the 'normally accepted fee' and donated it to the total fund.
I caught him later partaking of a brief rest on our Sutton station seat.





HIGH FASHION IN SUTTON on HULL !
       
photos: by Liz Cook Fashion Photography ©
Some elegant poses here as our visitor to the museum, Becky Haskins, enjoys our considerable Victorian costume collection. Clicking either photo should enlarge it in a new window with plain borders, no menus.

Just another of the many exhibits enjoyed by Friday visitors who come to Sutton to research their own family histories and maybe get a sense of how their forebears used to live over a 100 years ago.
HULL COLLEGE VISIT         March 2
photo: by Liz Cook Fashion Photography ©              

More recent visitors were this enthusiastic party from Hull College, here with Caroline Berriman, their tutor in local and social history for their group. Hull College paid a visit to the museum around this time last year, and we hope that they are set to make this an annual visit. We also hope that the group enjoyed their visit and give us their 'thumbs up', as we see them photographed here sitting on our historic Sutton station platform seat.

Passing your mouse over this photo will bring it up in a larger and separate window that you can close when finished.
Another historic photo brings me to the subject of historic transport
The photo on the right is an AEC Regent III, at the 32 terminus in Sutton. Note the old Hull Telephones phone box by the church wall, only just visible behind the bus, next to the seat. I'm told that the young lads in the village in the 1950s called that seat 'The Parliament', on account of it being a regular meeting places for the then 'senior citizens' of the village, usually the men, who gathered there to discuss the issues of the day and put the world to rights.

Now I'm an old man, and I like to gather in like company with other 'old men' and chew the fat and put the world to rights.

Nothing changes much, does it.

       

       

I know these are poor, but they're all we have, taken from poor ciné of the early 1960s. Perhaps you were there . . .

I would be keen to hear from anyone, ex-staff or relatives of staff, that may have old photos of the 'old days' on the buses.

That would include both KHCT and EYMS, as many staff worked for both at various times; drivers, conductors and inspectors, fitters, depot and office staff, anyone at all who 'was on the buses' before 1995 and the demise of KHCT.

Staff outings, photos in depots or bus stations, particularly of the staff themselves but also the vehicles, all would be very welcome, and all contributors would get a credit when shown.

You can email me directly on the email link in the menu. If photos are creased or unclear, I can tidy them up - for free - and send them back to you by email.

THE ROYAL BRITISH LEGION
The Sutton Branch of the Royal British Legion have lodged with us a small collection of their photos for safe-keeping. Our archivists are now arranging for these to be displayed, with names where known, in a suitable photo album that will sit alongside all the rest of our superb collection of Sutton over the decades.

We'd be grateful if anyone can identify the 'spaces' in the list of names, where a simple 'nk' stands for 'not known' ... but we would like to know and put the man's name in if we can. I'll post some different photos here over the next few months for folks to try and identify those unknown men.



Here we have a wet Remembrance Sunday Church Parade sometime in the 1950's. These are mostly veterans of the Great War, or the Kaiser's War as it used to be known. What sights, what horrific endurances, did these men see and go through, in their varied and wide-flung units, regiments and ships. We know that the proud men seen marching here are now long gone, and any veterans we see of the same age today are veterans of Hitler's War, sometimes the very sons of the men in this photo, and there's not so many of them left now. They say that time is a great healer - perhaps so, but for many of these men, the memories never left them, and they were never healed. Even so, scarred as they were, they came home, found work, raised families and kept a roof over their heads, all without a fuss, so much so that many went to their graves without ever telling those families the details of what they had done, or what they had endured. We think we know - but we don't know the half of it.
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A rather speckly if atmospheric view from the top of St James' tower, taken in late 1940, looking roughly east towards Salthouse Lane. The façades and chimneys of Church St can be seen curving away round to the right. Note the newsagents with the corner door, now long bricked up, and the old post office and cycle shop that later became the famous and much-loved Brown's Fish & Chip Shop. Further along is the half-timbered Duke of Cumberland. A corporation bus is just pulling in to the terminus, and the distant sky does seem hazy, perhaps with fog or mist, or given this was 1940, perhaps it was not just chimney smoke on that gentle southerly breeze over the village. It seems like it was the start of just another day. Two pedestrians are visible, one walking a dog, and another person, perhaps the driver, just getting into the one and only car in the scene.
[photo: Sylvia Cooke collection]
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An impressive line-up of the St James' bellringing team, of 11 ringers, taken in 1890. Even more of interest when we realise that within this picture are Mr Topham, the school headmaster - 5th from the left with a large white hankerchief in his top pocket; and next to him, the Rev Coleman. Cycles were something of a luxury then, and for ten of this group to have one each illustrates how popular cycling had become, making a bike a 'must have' of the late Victorian era. Note the two men sitting on the seat behind the line-up, in front of the church wall. Is that the same seat that has always been there? Legend has it that it's reputed to have stood on that same spot since Queen Boudica was a lass.
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Church Street, in the 1930s judging by the sparse traffic. Immediately visible are two cars, one of which I'm told is a Rover, and what appears to be a Hull Corporation Leyland TD bus. The signboards give away the locations of 'The Duke' and 'The Ship'. The postcard was marked to note 'Fern Cottage', and the lovely steel railings, perhaps taken away to help the war effort a decade or so later. Sharp-eyed viewers may see the car parked outside 'The Ship', and a lorry just appearing from behind the church wall. Perhaps it was a special day, hence St George's flag fluttering proudly from the church tower. I'm sure the seat is behind the bus.
[photo: Sylvia Cooke collection]
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Looking in the same direction, two decades earlier, in 1914. The grocery van, of 'Field's of Hull' is a Model-T Ford, and the driver or his attendant appear to be having few words with what appears to be a soldier. He wears a flat-topped peaked cap, rather than a helmet, so I'm fairly sure he's not the village bobby. The signboard above 'The Ship' can just be made out on the enlargement to announce sales of Marston Ales. I wonder if the van is hiding a view of the seat.
   [photo: donated by Ron Loftus]
Lowgate Garage ... in what had been it's original location down 'The Avenue', at the end of its days, in 1978. We understand the buildings were originally the stables to Sutton House. This photo will bring many memories back to those who had their cars serviced there in it's heyday of the 1950s and 60s. Those were the days, before MOTs, when petrol was about 3/6d a gallon AND you got Green Shield stamps, you didn't have to pay for air, and a loaf of bread was still under a shilling.
[photo: donated by Ron Loftus]
The same view, during demolition 33 years ago, recording yet another aspect of Sutton's disappearing past. It is a strange anomaly that, despite all that has already been lost, the village is still recognisably the Sutton of pre-war years and with tremendous atmosphere and character.

Where were YOU in 1961 ?
Perhaps at the Sutton Garden Party,
on Sat, June 17th that year.
Browse these 24 extracted images
from the late John Rowley's archive ciné film
Here we have captured stills of
MUMS & DADS, GRANDMAS & GRANDADS
and a few youngsters too!

I know these images are very poor compared with our digital age,
but they're the best we have. In every second of ciné film,
there are 15 frames, and out of those 15 there are usually
one or two reasonably sharp and in focus.
These extracts are the best of them, and even these
have been considerably enhanced.
Use your 'backspace' key between viewing each enlargement.
       

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

SURELY, SURELY, someone must recognise someone here.

If there's one thing that comes across from the 50-or-so minutes of John Riley's old films is just how much everyone enjoyed themselves, how much laughter and pure joy there was around in the 1960s. In all, I saw only one sequence of a child crying, a little girl running back to her mum that had obviously hurt herself. A bit different to views that may be captured today. Everyone, mums and dads and teachers and helpers, as well as the children, are having the time of their lives.

And it's the same story in the other films too. Here we have scenes from a time of optimism, hope, a future to be built after the dark days behind them. How do I know the atmosphere in these films is genuine? Because, in another place, in another county, I was there, for I too attended similar fetes, scout camps, church parades and garden parties. We had the time of our lives too! I wonder if this could all be done again.



     
the DVD about Sutton on Hull
copies are still available.
VISITOR COUNTER
There is an extra visitor counter, right at the very bottom of the Home Page.
Click the 'Globe' logo. It shows where in the world our visitors are coming from,
and even what browser they're using. If you have come to this site from overseas,
you'll even see the flag of your country and what time you visited.
We've recently had visits from folks in Australia, Rotterdam, and Bogota in Columbia
amongst others, and all over the UK. Magic or what !

new CD-ROM available
The Bernard Sharp Graveyard Photo Collection
is now into its THIRD EDITION, updated now with over
1,900 photos of most of the graves and headstones in
St James' churchyard. About another 100 have been added.
Now available to our visitors on a CD-ROM ... and to purchase;
see details on Family History page .. click the button in the menu.
For folks long since left the Sutton area, it may be
of interest to find out that Sutton is now On the Map !

Sutton on Hull is right astride the Trans-Pennine Trail
that runs from Southport on the Lancashire coast,
to Hornsea on the East Yorkshire coast,
where the cycle Trail utilises the old railway track.

The Family History Research Group
The Club House, Garden Village Oval

A research group has opened for the over-50s
to get into their own family history using
internet resources and computer technology.
Their computer suite has access to Ancestry records as well
as the usual birth, marriage and death indexes;
all censuses up to 1901; emigration and ship lists
to research USA, Canada, Australia, etc;
Full world-wide internet access; research Old Maps and
a wide range of general history information.

There are helpers on hand to give guidance wherever required,
whether with family history resources or just general computer use.
Novice or more experienced computer users welcome -
We're a friendly group that assist and help each other.
We can help you build your family tree.

Tuesday afternoons: 1:30 to 3:30 *** £2 per session.

For further details, please ring 708104 and ask for Carol.



The Carnegie Heritage Centre
Anlaby Rd, by West Park and the flyover

One of Hull's best-loved and and paradoxically, at the same time,
least-known resources, located in the historic and
beautifully restored Carnegie Library near West Park.


Specialising in all historical research and info, with a specific leaning
to local social and family history research using all modern technologies
with a great deal of help and advice on hand.

This place has to be seen to be believed!
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Click below for their website, email contacts, events and opening times.
CARNEGIE HERITAGE CENTRE
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See many items illustrating the day to day life

the late ERIC JOHNSON . . his photo collection is one of the three main collections, along with Rev Coleman's, available to view in the Centrethe late REV. GEORGE COLEMAN . . his photo collection is another of the three main collections, along with Eric Johnson's, available to view in the Centreof Sutton & Wawne folk going back over 100 years.
There's more details of what there is to see,
resource archives, records, school registers,
CD's, hundreds of photos, etc,
on the FAMILY HISTORY page.
and this link ..SUTTON RESOURCES .. takes you
directly the list of what is available in the Centre on that page.

THE OLD SCHOOL IN SUTTON . .

. . . is now The Exhibition Room and is open on most Fridays lunchtimes,
when you will be welcome to sample coffee and biscuits
as you browse the fascinating collections we have here.

We also have a good library selection of "Talking Books",
novels on cassette by well-known authors such as Ruth Rendell,
Jeffrey Archer and Catherine Cookson, all for hire for 50p a go;
these funds to go towards the upkeep of St James.


Living History . . Come and See It . . Be a Part of It !
If you or your family came from here . .. you already are part of it !!
Even if you're family heritage isn't Sutton or Wawne,
this is still British Social History par excellence.


TIP:If you come to see us to find your own family and records, it's a great idea to bring a memory stick with you. We can now even save to most camera cards. At a push, we can let you take info away with you on a CD, but it's not so versatile. A stick or card is by far the best. We also print most photos, docs, and maps, etc, for a modest charge that goes towards the running of the Old School.


A full list of
Previous Rectors, and Priests
of the College Chapel
,
can be seen by clicking the link.
view Side Menu if not already visible, then select Old School button again



ARE YOU IN NEED

of photos being restored?


Perhaps after flood or
other accidental damage.

I can help ... see my page on our
PHOTO REPAIR
&
RESTORATION SERVICE

Just click the link.

I also process slides, glass or film, card or plastic mounts, and negatives - either loose or in strips.
IT'S OPEN !!
The Incredible new
HULL HISTORY CENTRE
went fully operational on Jan 25.

The website for this fantastic new facility for the city is
HULL HISTORY CENTRE
It is very important that you view their "Planning Your Visit" page,
before you go ... it gives advice and info on Reader's Tickets,
now known as a CARN, and what type of ID you will
need to have with you to register to get one.
Visitors will not be able to access the Search Rooms without one.


Here's a huge site that's gone from strength to strength ..
WORKHOUSES & POOR LAW UNIONS
A history of Workhouses and Unions around the country,
with a list organised by county and then towns.
Often, each individual workhouse page will give diagrams and maps of their location, old photos where the buildings survived into the 20th century, (as with Hull's Workhouse where the Royal Infirmary on Anlaby Road now is), and a full list of staff and inmates as of the 1881 census. It also documents Sculcoates and Skirlaugh, amongst others, and an amazing resource, well worth a visit. A telling reminder of how far society has come ... and how cruel life once was.



SOME OTHER RECENT EVENTS

and photos contributed by viewers and ex-residents

Recent visitors to the museum have been Ray and Pat Kirby, now living over in Derbyshire. Older residents will perhaps recall Ray as the son of Doris Kirby, and who left Sutton to persue a teaching career in various parts of the country, including the London and Manchester areas. Ray later became a school head, after many years teaching history.

They both enjoyed their visit, browsing the many albums and recognising the many old faces of relatives, school friends and neighbours. An accolade indeed from a history teacher, we think we got a definite 'thumbs up' from them both, and we look forward to seeing them again when they're next over this way.



F/Lt Paterson Clarence Hughes DFC RAAF

Other recent visitors, on the 16th February, were a family from Surrey. Howard, Vanessa, Jack, Lara, and Charlie Paterson Hughes, came to visit our brave pilot's grave in the churchyard.

It's lovely to know that other folk care, and remember. That is some gorgeous bunch of flowers, for a man who lost his life on behalf of our country and freedom 72 years ago this coming September.

I hope the family don't mind us calling Pat 'our pilot'. Of all the wargraves in our churchyard, Pat came from the furthest away, he was so far from home. I suppose we have sort of adopted this quiet mannered Australian who would never live to see the part he played in our freedoms today.

If this family would like to contact me, a better copy of this photo awaits them, plus a short piece of small video of the grave and the church in the background. I'm sorry we missed them; a day later, and they would have found the museum on its normal Friday opening. We would love to have met them. I do wonder if they have seen Pat's page on this website, and the story of how it came about; perhaps that's how they found us here in the first place. Click Pat's name in the underlined link above.

MORE BLASTS FROM THE PAST !

We've had a wonderful offer from Margaret Rowling (nee Bruce), seen below, who grew up in Sutton in the 1950's-60's. Margaret, a retired teacher, now lives in Filey, and she has offered to our collection her own slides of Sutton from those years. She first wrote a couple of years ago to send us the photo of Church St in the snow shown on the Home Page, and now she has written to offer us the slides, and also to give us the link to her collection of photos she has posted on her Picasa Web Album online. Click HERE to see her Sutton slides : : : Click HERE to see other slides, including a nice selection on Hull in the same period. Enjoy !
Margaret Rowling, nee Bruce Margaret Rowling, nee Bruce   Margaret Rowling, nee Bruce
In the meantime, we have a pre-1930 view of Church Mount, with two members of the Calcutt family at no.10. Margaret's grandparents lived next door, to the right at no.11. The two ladies in the separate picture are the Misses Calcutt, Isobel and Vera, who at one time emigrated to New Zealand and then later returned to Sutton.
Margaret also recounts some of her memories of the Blitz .. read her blog HERE.


More Memories Here ...
where we have another interesting mystery shot ...
Can anyone place where this is?

Somebody must know. It looks like a working gent's club, of the old type, perhaps pre-First War. What is apparent is that the photo appears to have been taken from a stage, and that is a bar at the back. But not a bar as in a later working men's club, no beer pumps or brewery adverts here. This is a tea bar, those are urns, and the adverts are for Bovril and Wrigley's. There is a hanging map of the world on the right, almost obscuring a notice to remind members to sign something. And the central heating installation is a classic; I well remember those in classrooms as a lad. The more I look, the more I feel it is also an 'educational place', perhaps a type of Reading Room, hence the papers, and the map. But where is it ... and if anyone can identify the gents in the picture, that would be an amazing bonus.


Free entry to the Sutton Museum for a whole year for correct answers! Forsooth!
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The Williams family of Elm Tree House, Sutton, 1919.

We have here a magnificent family photo of the Williams family outside
Elm Tree House in Sutton (now Sutton Care Home), in 1919.


These were well-known locally as owners of two Hull ships
in the years after the First World War.

Robert Edward Williams stands at the back with his family of 14 children:
Robert David; John Webster; George Meredith; Elizabeth; Annie Gertrude;
Gwendolyn; Thomas; Martin Edwin; William Stanley; Neville Llewellyn;
Charles Frederick; Nesta Myfannwy; Mervin Mostyn and lastly, Howard.

It was Robert Edward Williams' great-grandson who visited the Resource Centre in November, one result of which is this historic photo posted here. Dated at 1919, it's good to know that the uniformed members of the family did at least survive the carnage of the previous five years. Also named Robert Edward Williams, this great-grandson of Sutton now lives in South Africa. He visited numerous family members, and it's heartening to know of his deep interest in family history and his enjoyment of the Resource Centre. We send him and his family our very best wishes.


Some Pre-War Sutton Memories

The late Terry King sent me a clipping, some years ago, he'd saved from the Daily Mail, an article by a staff writer editing reader's memories. At a guess, it dates from some time in the 1970's or 1980's, and I would imagine a lot of folks mentioned in this lady's memories are no longer with us. The subject lady herself, Barbara Rowntree, eventually became Barbara McGough, and after travelling and working all over the globe in a career editing various magazines, she emigrated to Adelaide in South Australia. She had seen an aerial view of modern Sutton, and it had prompted her to write to the HDM with her own memories of the places she could still locate on the photo. I thought the whole article worth seeing, and so have reproduced it here in its entirety - Enjoy !

SUTTON MEMORIES

How deep childhood impressions go ! My recent memory is a very fallible sign, I think, not only of old age, but of the increasing complexities of life; but my early recollections are still startlingly vivid.

So it is with my opposite number in Adelaide, South Australia, Mrs B L McGough, formerly Beryl Rowntree and now professionally known as “Barbara Page”, the 'Miss Humber', it would seem, of their evening newspaper, 'The News'.

Mrs McGough, who is also doing a lot of freelance work for mainstream magazines and radio, was born in Sutton, and she was extremely interested in one of our serial photographs of that area which someone sent he during the summer.

“Seeing the photograph has brought back a flood of memories,” she writes. “The place hasn't altered greatly in its layout; I can recognise every stick and stone.

“I can see the house where I was born, 2, Rutland Terrace, with my grandparents' house next door. Mr and Mrs W Goodin, they're buried in the churchyard there, with the names of my two brothers inscribed on their gravestone, Cadet Kenneth W Rowntree, aged 16, lost at sea, and Pilot-Officer H Raymond Rowntree, aged 21, lost on operations, both in 1941.

Mrs McGough remembers the names of many people who lived in her street.; The Pinkneys, The Danbys, the Hakeneys, the Simpsons, the Pitchers, the Grays, the Hodgsons.

“Church Street was the hub of our universe. I remember the Carricks at the corner of Stoneferry Lane, the station where I watched troops going off in World War I, the church school, the church where we played many hours happily among the graves, the Methodist Chapel where I went three times every Sunday.

“I ran my mother's messages there, shopping at Wheelhouse's, spending my Saturday pennies at Rene Rodmell's sweetshop, buying a reel of cotton at Miss Heron's, the drapers (and I can still hear the tinkle of the bell on the shop door as you opened it).

“We gazed at the mugs and jugs and bowls in Miss Moody's and stopped to look at the pots and pans in Fletcher's.

“Every day I walked the long stretch to the Council School up on the hill four times a day. I can even remember my first teacher there, Miss Richardson, beating time to 'All Things Bright And Beautiful', apparently her favourite hymn.

“I can still pinpoint Holmes the butchers, and Hickeys further along. Sutton House has come out fine; I remember picnics and garden parties there and the annual Horse Show.

“Winnie Leake lived in a house on the estate, and learnt music with my teacher, Bertha. The Sewells lived just there, opposite Potterill Lane, and their nieces, Marjorie and Mary Cross – I went to their double wedding in the Methodist Chapel in 1938 or 1939, and watched them given away by their aunts, Lydia and Hetty.”

Mrs McGough adds that one of her schoolteachers, Clarice Annison, is still living in Church Mount. An uncle, Mr Harry Goodin, is still living in Sutton, and until recently another uncle lived in Lime Tree Avenue.

She draws a vivid picture of life in pre-war Sutton, when the church bells rang … and later, one would meet the bellringers, a solid and portly group, in best suits and boots, watch chains and waistcoats.

“Having rung the bells, they never felt obliged to attend the formal services and took their regular Sunday morning stroll always in the same direction. I know this well, because my Uncle Tom was one of the bellringers.

“We had the 'gentry' then … the Smiths, the Robsons, the Waterhouses, the Bladons, and the differences were sharply defined. But somehow we never felt deprived or inferior. We all knew our places.

“The doctor had a special place too, and everybody in the village knew Dr Gillespie and looked up to him in a way. And then he took on a raw, young partner, Dr Bruce. I well remember the curiosity about the new, pink-cheeked Scot, who, my grandmother said, was 'too young' and she much preferred old Dr Shaw who visited the village every so often …”

Since leaving Sutton at the age of 20, Mrs McGough seems to have had many adventures. In 1943, she went to Dublin with her Irish husband, and from 1947 to 1955 was editor of the Irish magazine, 'Woman's Life', later incorporated into 'Women's Realm.'

From 1956 to 1965 she was Woman Editor of the Dublin Evening Herald, when she left to travel the world, ending in South America in 1970, from where she went to London to become Travel Editor for 'She.'

Mrs McGough later went to Australia to live with her daughter, hence her semi-retirement doing freelancing work on the Adelaide newspaper. That was several years ago, and she would be well into her 80's now if she's still alive. I'm sure her memories are shared by many other folks too, and do illustrate what a close-knit community Sutton was in those days.


The Free Exhibition is open in the Old School every week on Fridays
from 10 am to 2 pm . . .
tea, coffee, biscuits can be served ..
50p per person per cup.

Not bad for a drink, a biccy, and a natter!


SOME PICS OF SUTTON MEMORIES
What about the folks in this modern photo ...?
Any memories of this band when they played
Sutton Church Hall ... around 1959-60 ...

THE AZTECS, rocking in Sutton Church Hall
... and this Soccer Team, c. 1952
Sutton on Hull AFC 1951-52
Happier and Carefree Days
John Kemp in the USA (on photo, front row ) sent this photo via his friend (and our previous correspondent, the late Terry King). Amazing how these memories travel the world through cyberspace to arrive back here. It's a photo of Sutton AFC Amateur League, Div 4, 1951/52 Season, when they won the League in that year They're all Sutton Lads, and Terry's own father is on the right.
Names are : Back Row left to right .. Tom Jones, J Buxton, Mr Rust, Les Buxton, Frank Atkin, Colin Duncan, Ian Singleton, Harold King.
Middle Row ; Alan Rooke, Johhny Read, Geof Hall, Eric Harrison, Alan Constable.
Front Row ; Alan Jones, John Kemp




A FAR OFF IMAGE OF THE OLD SCHOOL AND PROUD DAYS
a 1914 image of children and teacher at St James' School, Sutton on Hull

Terry King, also sent this old photo a year or so ago dating from the early part of the last century. Taken about 1914 or just before the First World War, Terrry's mother, born 1906 and aged about 6 here, is on the second row from the front, second in from the left. Another sister is at the other end of the row. Their maiden name was Catterick. Old images such as this are so full of atmosphere. Look at those lads standing proudly with their arms manfully folded. Many would have fathers soon to be lost in the First War, and whom themselves in turn would go on to have, and lose, sons that would know the terrors of fighting in the Second. And the girls, of course, as wives and mothers, by and large kept house and home together while they were away . . as did Terry's mum shown here. She later knew the trauma of the Blitz, and of having her son evacuated to the Lake District and not knowing how it would all end. Can anyone recall the name of the school mistress ?


There is more information on the Hull Blitz here ..
Maps of Hull showing the fall of bombs during the Blitz
... in reality, 16 scans, A4 size, of a larger streetmap of Hull, dated 1945. It tells it's own story, and is some testament to the some 1,300 Hull residents killed, listed above in the Civilian Index, and the 12,000 injured, during those dark days. Opens in a new Window.
 
TWO SIGNS OF THE CORPORATION . .
two more of Terry King's pictures
a 1950's Hull Corporation bus, Service 32, AEC Regent III, Sutton on Hull

A familiar site in Sutton in the 1950's, before Bransholme was started, when the 32 service terminated in Church Street. Behind this AEC Regent III, note the Corporation Telephones phonebox which used to be just at the end of the church wall, right opposite College Street.
. . . AND WAITING TO TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE SEASIDE.

Sutton station, from the bridge, looking towards Hornsea

This picture, also from Terry, is a heavily enhanced copy of an old newspaper clipping, hence the poor quality and "woven paper" effect. But enough of the atmosphere remains here of this foggy day on the Hornsea line, and of two young girls awaiting the train to the seaside, to make it worth showing. Note the signal box, where the playground is now, and the points for the coal siding. It's almost certainly someone's copyright . . probably the HDM's . . please forgive me in the interests of nostalgia. You can click this picture for a slightly larger, if not improved, image.

I love the story I heard recently of the family that lived just about opposite the War Memorial, in the days before the trees grew so large. When getting ready for work in a morning, the gent of the family could look right out over to Swine, and see the smoke of his train as it left Swine station. He then had plenty of time to finish his coffee, don his hat and coat, and walk the few hundred yards to the station. Except on the very first morning of diesel operation. There was no smoke . . . so he missed it. New technology ..? Bah !!


Some Likely Lads in Sutton .. Circa 1910-ish ?
This photo is from a glass plate in the Rev Colman Collection.
Mr Rodmell, the Station Master, here sporting a fine Edwardian beard,
is seen with two of his staff, an unknown lad, centre, and Mr White.


Some more likely Hull lads here, though some may be from Sutton.
Who ARE these naval cadets, or scouts ?
I wonder if anyone recognises any
of these fine young reprobates . .
Click the picture for a closer look.
Are they Hull Sea Scouts, Sea Rangers . . ?
Previous offences will be taken into consideration !!
I suspect someone will see their dad or grandad in here.






HM Armed Forces Veterans Badge

Did you serve in HM Armed Forces?

The Ministry of Defence are offering this badge
to men and women who served in HM Armed Forces.

Included groups are :
Merchant Navy Seamen involved in military action,
Polish Forces under UK command,
the Cyprus Regiment, and The Home Guard.
There are also new details of a Merchant Seaman's badge,
which is the Veterans Badge shown on the "Red Duster".

Please note: this criteria does not include Veterans who served in the
Armed Forces of other Countries and who served alongside HM Armed Forces.
For example; Canadian Navy, or Royal Australian Air Force.

It is regrettable that the badge cannot be issued posthumously.

The badge is a survivors' badge, which is to be worn on civilian attire.
The only exception to this is War Widows and Widowers who are
getting a War Widows/Widowers Pension.
The previous time restriction of 40+ years no longer applies.
All former servicemen and women, from all operations and campaigns,
are eligible to apply.


Application Forms are available
in the Exhibition & Resource Centre,
or can be obtained from :
The Veterans Agency, Thornton-Cleveleys,
Norcross, BLACKPOOL, FY5 3WP

email : Veterans help

The Veterans Agency Website

tel : 0800 169 2277 (UK only) .. or .. +44 1253 866043 (Overseas)






 


SUTTON, BRANSHOLME AND WAWNE

Church and People - a Celebration
by Merrill Rhodes

re-published 10 April 2006 by Highgate Publications of Beverley

available locally from the Church Office, The Post Office,
and in the Sutton Exhibition and Resources Centre
inside the Old School on Friday lunchtimes (10am - 2pm)
now at £10.00 per copy.


Please ring 01482 876370 for postage details
if requiring Mail Order

This is the long-awaited reprint, with updates,
of the excellent 1999 publication by Merrill
that originally celebrated the 650th anniversary of
the founding of Sutton Church.


For anyone interested in local history, has an interest
in the historic families of Sutton & Wawne,
or who has recently moved into the area
this book is highly recommended.

Your webmaster has read it from cover to cover,
and enjoyed it immensely.





click for larger image of book cover

HULL'S OWN AIR FORCE STATION

by Leonard C Bacon
in softback, A4 size.

Copies are now available to buy
From Mrs Judith Bangs of the EYFHS at:
5 Curlew Close
Molescroft
BEVERLEY
East Yorkshire
HU17 7QN

or at the Balloon Barrage Reunion Club website.

We must add our own thanks
that Len completed this history before his
untimely death on 23 Aug, 2007.




The former VIDEO of Sutton . .
is now on DVD !


a 50-minute programme about the history of the village,
made by the late Rob Walters of the Dovedale Studio,
and last available on VHS several years ago,
has been re-issued on DVD.
Copies are available from
the Exhibition Centre at £10 each.

It contains extra material not available to us before,
and now runs for over 80 minutes, and is much
clearer than the old VHS.

All profits are towards benefitting the
Exhibition Centre, running costs, etc.


 
See the FAMILY HISTORY page
for some useful links and general help
if you are just starting out on your quest.

Another Hull site that is well worth a visit
for general city history and Family History Links,
as well as a tremendous amount of info on WW2
and the Hull Blitz is

Click the logo to pay them a visit.



Try the

UK Citizenship test

... just for fun.
[opens in a new window .. and yes, they are serious]
Your webmaster took the test, and failed. I only got 58%
I suppose I'll now have to pack and leave the country,
before the Border Agency come to get me.
It's obvious to me now that I'm far too pale and wearing totally the
wrong sort of headgear (flatcap) to be allowed to live here anymore.

Does anyone know of a country that will take a failed Englishman
with a good work ethic, clean driving license, and no CRB record?
Not too hot, mind ...


IF YOU'RE A HISTORY FAN .... you may like this ....

the information changes every day.
This Day in History




And if you like your history with a
more of a British slant to it .. try

HISTORY TODAY MAGAZINE

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You also have the option to select your own date input!



Here's a link to an historical Short Story,
set in Sutton in the time of old King Henry ...

Or click this link below to learn about the Apparition in the Bell-Loft ..
and play the Curate's game ...
Short Story

 

Google Earth – Explore, Search and Discover
I like to think that there is so much on this website to keep anyone occupied
for at least 2 whole days ... but if not, and the World is your Oyster,
maybe you'd like to explore this new mapping facility from Google ..
Google Earth.

Want to know more about a specific location?
Dive right in -- Google Earth combines satellite imagery, maps
and the power of Google Search to put the world's geographic information at your fingertips.

Fly from space to your neighbourhood. Type in an address and zoom right in.
Search for schools, parks, restaurants, and hotels. Get driving directions.
Tilt and rotate the view to see 3D terrain and buildings.
Save and share your searches and favorites. Even add your own annotations.

[ please note: Google Earth is a broadband, 3D application
that not all computers can run. ]
Download it at this safe Google site .. I've put the site address below also,
so you can check it out as well as click on it .. best to be safe these days.

download GoogleEARTH here
... ... http://pack.google.com/product_info.html?earth .. .. ..

If Google Earth is a bit too much to manage, re download speeds, etc, then try the
maps at Google Maps for the UK;
drag the ORANGE MAN and drop him on any road that lights up in blue, and hey presto,
you have a view of the street which you can 'walk' along in your computer.
In any town or city in the UK !
Here's the link to 'walk' past the Church Office.
Move the mouse around - and when pointer turns to a circle, click,
and you'll progress along the street to that point.
Want to see that house where your great grandad was born
in that town you've never been to? Put the address into Google Maps,
and fly there, then drag that orange man onto the street.
Now, is that Magic or what!

Also try Bing Maps, (formerly Multimap).
Bing Maps also has the advantage of requiring no previous download,
and being able to see a better 'bird's-eye view' of any of the churches,
from all four points of the compass, but please
bear in mind these photos are at least 4 years old.
For those with relatives buried here, who cannot get to see these graves
in the peaceful churchyards at Sutton and in Wawne,
this facility will be of great interest as well as comfort.

Please make full use of it ... it's free!
RETURN TO ANNOUNCEMENTS PAGE

image of St James', Sutton on Hull, from the churchyard: taken 9 Sept 2006
St James', from the churchyard: taken 9 Sept 2006
looking south west.
click image for a larger view in this Window .. 280K
Use this page also in conjunction with the
Family History information and links page
for more information as to what is in the Centre,
and other links on the World Wide Web.
Family History enquiries for St James, Sutton & St Peter, Wawne.

If you came straight onto this page, and don't see
the SIDE MENU - click the button below to reveal it
and take you back to the HOME PAGE
view Side Menu if not already visible, then select Old School button again




a sample map of old Sutton, c.1910 ... scale: 1:2,500

sample map of Sutton

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